Sad and disgruntled hippies around a Thanksgiving dinner

The 2005 Thanksgiving Day Massacre: Archive Removes the Dead

In what quickly became billed as the Thanksgiving Day Massacre, on November 22, 2005, Archive.org, at the Grateful Dead’s request, stopped all streaming and downloading of Dead shows on Archive. Outcry from Deadheads against what they saw as a money grab contrary to the band’s ethics came quick and furious, and a petition to make the music available again soon had over 7000 signatures.

Amidst the outcry, John Perry Barlow came out strongly against the band’s decision, in no surprise to anyone who was familiar with his cofounding of and work with the Electronic Frontier Foundation, an organization dedicated to online liberty. And he seemed to suggest that not only was he disturbed by the pulling of the recordings from Archive, but he also had no say in the decision, writing that “It’s like finding out that your brother is a child molester. And then, worse, having everyone then assume that you’re a child molester too. I’ve been called a hypocrite in three languages already.”

At the same time, Phil Lesh also dissented from the decision and claimed “I was not part of the decision making process and was not notified.” Phil went on to write that he loved Archive and had listened to shows on there, finding “it invaluable during the writing of my book. I found myself being pulled back in time listening to old Grateful Dead shows while giggling with glee or feeling that ache in my heart listening to Jerry’s poetic guitar and sweet voice.”

Bobby was the only one to speak in support of the band’s action, claiming at different times that the decision was motivated by lost revenue and that there were copyright issues with other people’s tunes that they had covered. Later, people close to the situation suggested that Bobby and the drummers had outvoted Phil, who may or may not have been consulted at all, as he had indicated. And, in time, it seemed like the real reason for taking down the recordings was a new deal that the Dead was in the process of signing with Rhino Records.

Fortunately, nine days after all the Grateful Dead recordings on Archive were taken down, the band once again made all audience recordings available for streaming and download and allowed soundboards to be streamed as well. And so we get to continue to enjoy this cornucopia of Dead music and history.

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9 responses to “The 2005 Thanksgiving Day Massacre: Archive Removes the Dead”

  1. Bud Avatar
    Bud

    Glad they ended making the correct decision and listened to their fans because it sounded like a money grab!

    1. Howie Avatar
      Howie

      I love the Dead. I love that they’ve given us decades of amazing music…for free.

      What I don’t love are smug entitled hippies who have the gall to whine about not getting free stuff while accusing the band that’s given them all that free music of being greedy.

      1. Dave Avatar
        Dave

        You right.

        1. Brian Harnois Avatar
          Brian Harnois

          I think that this incredible band has achieved mythic status and people forget that they are faulty humans, just like you and I. They had complicated personalities and relationships with each other and with the fans. Artists should be paid for there creations, andvyhe dead certainly has. They have been generous to yhe fans to a point. I think the decision makers now are not generous and are in it for the almighty dollar! Boomers man. Bummer

      2. David Dalto Avatar
        David Dalto

        Just what music did the Dead give me for free? I went to several hundred shows, and paid real money for all but maybe 4 or 5 of them. I have also paid a quite large amount of money over the years for audio and video recordings, with none free. If you mean the tapes, the Dead did not give them to us, we made them ourselves. And in the end we made them very rich.

        Not taking any position on the issue here, just saying. “It all rolls into one, and nothing comes for free.”

  2. David Pastore Avatar
    David Pastore

    🙂

  3. direwolf_npz Avatar
    direwolf_npz

    GD signed off on a deal with Rhino. The Vault was being moved. Not a shock that the Corp Heads clamped down on the Soundboards sitting at archive.org. Many a head had already downloaded everything. The genie was already out of the bottle. Fun Fact: At one point, Apple Computer was hosting the GD soundboards from their FTP site.

  4. Tagg Bradbury Avatar
    Tagg Bradbury

    I remember back when you could just download every show. I went straight to best buy to grab a seagate external drive that had about 500 Mb of storage (huge by the days standards). It took about three days but I downloaded and mirrored the entire site on that hard drive – I have every show even the ones that they later pulled for release.
    Not two days later my Seagate drive took a dump – I hooked up the harddrive to my linux box and tried TestDisk and nothing was found to be recoverable.
    I don’t know the moral of the story – I guess trusting BestBuy (Evil Corp) was my first mistake. I’ve had more of those high capacity disk drives die on me than you would imagine – lost many a memory.
    So for one shining moment there I had a mirror of the archive. It was great.

    Question for other users of the Archive – Do you get into any of the other stuff (i.e. non GD) in the archive/wayback machine? I’ve listened to one or two other artists but I have not really delved into the rest of the content? Cursory looks have just revealed super old articles and the like. I feel like there must be so much more to it but I just can’t seem to get the time to fully search it out – anybody point me to some cool stuff there (GD or not)?

    1. Billy Strings Avatar
      Billy Strings

      Always backup / backup / backup your music!! I have close to 3,000 shows from different bands all stored on external hard drives, and I have backup hard drives for all of it.

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